staunch 159 days ago [-]
You can learn far more about Jeff Bezos from watching a few long interviews. He recently did a very interesting interview with his brother:

He's very much the kind of person you want in the supremely high position that he's found himself in. He's basically another Bill Gates but more upbeat and creative.

stnmtn 158 days ago [-]
This is great and all, but I don't want any person making the amount of money Bezos is making. He makes more in 5 days than most people make in 5 lifetimes. He wields immense power that will only get stronger as corporate consolidation increases.

For example, in the race for states to try to get Amazon's HQ2 in their city, the future of corporate power is so apparent and scary. One city offered that all employees of Amazon would just pay their taxes directly to Amazon instead of to the state to try to entice Amazon. That's something that happens in cyberpunk like Snow Crash, and it's already beginning to happen in real life. We just don't pay that much attention to it because the companies don't have scary names like the Tyrell Corporation, they're instead fun things like Amazon, Disney, Google; and being okay with the massive power Bezos wields because he's a nice guy seems kind of short-sighted to me

ilamont 159 days ago [-]
I can only imagine the PR backstory for this puff piece.
natalyarostova 159 days ago [-]
Bezos is gearing up to be a major player in DC, and the times wrote that infamous piece on how bad Amazon is. Although that's sort of a conspiratorial theory, which may or may not be true.
rising-sky 159 days ago [-]
It's also possible that he's now the richest person ever (not accounting for inflation), so it's a good time to write an article about such an individual. There are probably a bunch of similar articles on Bill Gates from his tenure.
adventured 159 days ago [-]
Bezos has been quite elusive when it comes to publicity and interviews since the dotcom bubble era ended (until recently). He went from being quite public early on, to being very tamped down after, heavily limiting press access. Perhaps his experience during that era, what Amazon went through with the press after everything soured, caused that.

From the mid 1980s forward, Gates was always in the public light, always prominent in the tech world in terms of press and interviews, always at CES and doing industry conferences, speeches, et al. He was Microsoft's chief promoter and an extremely public persona. Nearly the exact opposite of how Bezos was from ~2003-2015.

olfactory 159 days ago [-]
It's nice to see some image reparation work going on for Jeff. I've been finding all of the pictures of him that are meant to evoke Voldemort quite irritating.

Aside from his decision to buy the WaPo, I think he's shown himself to be one of the few people who really understands long term bets.

So while Google keeps trying to make Android devices sell for iPhone prices, Amazon just sold me a Kindle Fire for $25 that outperforms my Nexus 7.

The impact of Bezos' infrastructure vision is likely to put Google and Apple out of business in the next few decades. He's playing a much more long-term strategy and he's not afraid to take big risks.

electrograv 159 days ago [-]
> I've been finding all of the pictures of him that are meant to evoke Voldemort quite irritating.

This just made me wonder if there's any media or perceptive bias against bald people in leadership positions.

It seems Steve Ballmer and Jeff Bezos for example are/were criticized disproportionately more than Elon Musk and Steve Jobs, for example, even though all of these people have plenty of reasons to be disliked.

Buldak 159 days ago [-]
Was Steve Jobs not bald? A sorites paradox for tech magnates.
electrograv 159 days ago [-]
Even in the later stages of Steve Jobs' life, he was not fully "bald" (as is Bezos or Ballmer) even though he appeared to be losing his hair. For example:

And the Steve Jobs of early and mid Apple was definitely not even close to bald:

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leggomylibro 159 days ago [-]
Steve Jobs had the turtleneck, though. And spectacles.
MarkMc 159 days ago [-]
Well Steve Ballmer deserved to be more heavily criticized - any random MBA graduate would have produced as much value as Ballmer in the same position. That's not true of the others.
olfactory 159 days ago [-]
> media or perceptive bias against bald people in leadership positions

Great question. I think there must be. Musk has had substantial hair regrowth/replacement work done:

archagon 159 days ago [-]
Lex Luthor did pretty well for himself!
geofft 159 days ago [-]
> So while Google keeps trying to make Android devices sell for iPhone prices, Amazon just sold me a Kindle Fire for $25 that outperforms my Nexus 7.

Isn't this being subsidized heavily by Amazon? Which might be your point about "long term bets," but I don't think it's unreasonable for Google's long-term bet to be that they want their hardware to be self-sustaining and not reliant on their other revenue (namely advertising).

(Also, it looks like it's $50 on their website - did you get a refurbished one?)

dmix 159 days ago [-]
It's a common misperception for the general public to value lower prices for higher end products and disregard how margins works in practice for 99% of the products they buy.

Meanwhile they think nothing of paying large margins on sub $20 products such as T-shirts. But the differences go well beyond that.

Luxury pricing is partially psychological but there is also real value in having a high margin product, allowing the company the luxury of hiring the best talent in the world and get the best supply line in the world, etc. Most mid-tier competitors are just mimicking the talent of top tier brands (otherwise pure low-end markets tend to stagnate as we've seen in many Japanese markets absent 'innovation'), and lowest tier is doing the best with what they can with the lowest quality talent + parts/supplies.

Even if Apple doesn't remain the #1 brand I still hope there remains a luxury brand that is pushing the envelope of the tech and software progress the way they (and Google Pixel recently) has been.

It doesn't benefit anyone when the only services or products left are on a death spiral towards low prices. That's a symptom of either a dead product/market or economy.

Not to mention the plenty of other factors (sometimes irrational) involved in non-low-end pricing strategies.

I haven't even touched on the more primary influences of high prices on preventing shortages and meeting consumer demand (which in absence is often the death knell of price capping critical markets such as food in socialist countries like Venezula).

I tell everyone to read this book before pricing their products and buying into the myth of 'success' by trying to low-ball your prices, it's both bad for your business and also bad for the industry if you're one of the few offering the product (because you'll likely die before it becomes sustainable):

TLDR: ignore the average persons comments on pricing, the lowest possible prices are not always the best prices, certainly for the entrepreneur/industry but also notably for the consumer/general economy as well - often for non-obvious reasons

olfactory 159 days ago [-]
I like the $25 pricing of the Kindle Fire both as a customer and as a (small) shareholder. Right now, most companies won't bother to build an app for the Kindle app store. This is one reason Amazon needs to keep the price low, so that the market share can create an incentive for companies to build first class app experiences.

I don't know whether Amazon is losing money on every unit sold, or if its engineers have found a nice mix of components that are available at lower prices and are able to deliver an acceptable UI/UX.

Note that most of the costly processor speed improvements on the newer premium SoCs are used to create beautiful animations and transitions and little else. Much of what makes the iPhone and Pixel devices feel like luxury products is the materials design and the state of the art screen. Is that really being built by the best talent in the world? I think it's standard miniaturization and consolidation.

As the killer apps for mobile become more and more clear (video, camera, and a few other useful sensors, a chip for ML models, etc.) prices will get lower and lower as more and more of these things can be baked into a general purpose SoC. There is not an app whose performance is driving demand for faster and faster processors, storage, etc., nor is there any core UX that is a deal breaker (now that Android is no longer visibly laggy compared to iOS).

Apple hit a fairly magical home run by creating a high gloss device that people will pay a 3x or 4x price premium to own. But increasingly the competition is going to be in other areas. Plastics are getting better every day, the $25 Kindle feels solid and high quality... sure not $500 iPad quality, but closer to $200 or $300 quality (in my opinion).

While I agree with the parent's advice that most startups should not try to offer a super low cost product, Amazon is not a startup and is waging what I think is a very smart battle with Google and Apple, both of which are judged in relation to each other and are now in an arms race to become luxury brands, which has allowed Amazon an incredible opportunity to take market share.

Amazon is not encumbered by the typical Android characteristic of having lots of carrier-installed bloatware on the device, and is not cursed by Apple's and Google's fear of taking on obvious but challenging product endeavors (like making a kid friendly experience built into the OS).

croon 159 days ago [-]
> but I don't think it's unreasonable for Google's long-term bet to be that they want their hardware to be self-sustaining and not reliant on their other revenue (namely advertising).

It's not like Google disable tracking or ads in their latest phones. It's a simple case of wanting to get paid twice, and people still buying it.

gnicholas 159 days ago [-]
How is the processor in the Kindle Fire these days? I bought one a couple years ago and found it to be very slow (the then-current Galaxy was 20x as fast for the JS that I was testing).
PuffinBlue 159 days ago [-]
Still terrible. Just bought two. Both are slow and absolutely riddled with software bugs. If I didn't get them on a deal day for £29 they'd be going back.

Ive never seen so many bugs. Both pads suffer from things like kids profiles having to redownload (or do something) to every app everytime you open it. App crashes and slow launches every time it gets used (around 30 second launch times on both pads) Downloads simply do not get save to SD card despite clear settings saying otherwise. Accelerometer freezes. There's some kind of race condition in the app store so even though I've disabled it with parental controls sometimes you can get it to download an app without password.

One nice bug is that if you set up a kid profile it wont show ads on the lock screen. A fun bug is that if you delete the kids profile, it'll not actually remove the profile data, it just stays on disc taking up space. You have to reset the device to factory settings, but if you dont and you just leave the kids profile deleted it still thinks ones on there and doesn't show ads.

That's not all the stuff I've run into (initial setup had all sorts of other issues) but those are just of the top of my head.

jvagner 159 days ago [-]
My Amazon Fire tests were: charge up, leave unplugged, see how much power it had in the morning. For me, it was always drained.

Power management in those devices is particularly weak.

olfactory 159 days ago [-]
Mine lasts about a week, which is incidentally far better than the Nexus 7 when set to default settings.
olfactory 159 days ago [-]
The one I got does not have a slot for an external SD card, so I'm not sure if we are using the same version.

The one I bought (pre holiday sale for $25) is adequately fast. Launch times are a bit slow, but it was $25 and once an app, book, or web page is launched/loaded the scrolling and interactions work fine.

The dropbox app, web browser, and chess apps I use all work nicely. I also use it for reading PDFs (articles, books) and books from the kindle store.

I've noticed the kid profiles to be a bit buggy, but iOS and Android don't have comparable functionality, so I applaud Amazon for shipping what they have and continuing to iterate on it. Even with the bugs the experience of handing it to a kid is far better than Android or iOS.

Mine installed several software updates in the first week after purchase, so it appears that there is active development going on.

It's incredibly liberating when the device can be sold for such an aggressive price. I don't mind if a kid drops it on the floor, I carry it around in my pocket and don't worry about sitting on it, and when there is a faster hardware version I'll likely spring for a new one.

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rectang 159 days ago [-]
Because we systematically impoverish students, we can only count on the largesse of the fabulously wealthy to rescue a lucky few.
QAPereo 159 days ago [-]
What would happen if everyone just... didn’t pay? What would a default of $1.5 trillion USD held by a government against millions of its citizens look like? Presumably the administrative costs of hunting down that much money from so many sources would be prohibitive. I’d guess that an attempt to garnish the wages of half the country would end in rioting, so that wouldn’t work well.
adventured 159 days ago [-]
> What would a default of $1.5 trillion USD held by a government against millions of its citizens look like?

It wouldn't be half the country first of all. It's a small minority of adults having problems paying their student loans (mostly those that were wildly reckless in their easy borrowing). The median student loan is a mere ~$13,000, against a median full-time wage of nearly $50,000.

If you took out $250,000 in student loans for a career path that pays $65,000 max per year, that's on you for being so financially foolish. It's not difficult to look around at cost effective alternatives to such a crazy student debt load.

You can easily go to extremely high quality in-state public universities at a modest cost. A four year degree in the US will get you a $60,000 salary on average right out of school. The typical person holding the median full-time job making $50,000, does not even have a four year degree. After five to seven years in the job market, your income is going to be $75,000 or more. You can do better than that in engineering fields. The unemployment rate with a four year degree, is typically about half the national U3 level, you practically can't not be employed.

Here's the fact of the matter: US wages are so extraordinarily high, a four year degree is a steal, just so long as you don't do something crazy like take on $200k in debt for a path that can never pay a good wage.

Go to an in-state public university, pay $10,000 to $15,000 per year net (a part-time job, as was very common in decades past, is still a good idea, along with seeking grants), get a job making $60,000 and work your income up to closer to $75,000 to $90,000 over time. That student debt becomes meaningless. It is not complex.

craftyguy 159 days ago [-]
"too big to fail" comes to mind. I'm not sure what it would look like in this case though. Probably a bunch of hand-waving, (forceably) forgiven debts.
erikj 159 days ago [-]
The title made me think that Bezos leaves Amazon.
crymearivernow 159 days ago [-]
I also thought he was coming out a gay.

Which wouldn't be too surprising given how much HN loves him.

voryzen 159 days ago [-]
I read it as 'coming out'. Would not have been surprising, if it were true
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littlepinkpill 158 days ago [-]
"[...]Mr. Bezos has become a bête noire for President Trump, who repeatedly singles out him and Amazon for scorn on Twitter."

Smarter, more creative, and richer. I'm sure that rankles. And anyone with a project like Blue Origin gets an entire colony-of-orangutans-thumbs up.

sunstone 159 days ago [-]
Jeff who?
astebbin 159 days ago [-]
I would love to see Jeff Bezos run for President in 2020. The trust he has built in the Amazon brand, the value he has placed upon investigative journalism and the survival of the free press, his deep knowledge of and interest in technology, his (presumed) familiarity with U.S. tax law, and the enormous success he’s achieved as a businessman would all work in his favor. I think Donald Trump senses this, and that’s why he singles Jeff out for criticism.
blackbagboys 159 days ago [-]
The very last thing we need is another megalomaniacal billionaire handed the reigns to an excessively powerful executive apparatus.

People need to remember that billionaires are not your friends. The only thing that can improve society is concerted, collective action. The fetishization of hyper-competent business leaders as the solution to society’s problems is a quasi-fascistic fantasy; it’s of a piece with a yearning for a “strongman” or those thinkpieces that glorify Singapore or the CCP’s supposed technocratic excellence.

natalyarostova 159 days ago [-]
That's really not the only thing that can improve society. Singapore, as you note, improved without it. Well, many places have. You may not like the consequences that come about from a quasi-fascistic techno-reactionary government, which is fine. On the other hand, there are benefits to such systems. If Amazon owned Seattle, do you think there would be such filth and homeless squalor throughout the city? Or the daily opioid deaths on our streets. Would Bezos be okay with that? How about our traffic? It is funny to me that a city with perhaps the top logistics talent and management in the world has an ineffectual transportation system due in part to the challenges of collective action and the biases in underfunding public goods endemic and researched in the study of the interaction between representative government, taxation, and investment.

Don't misinterpret me as advocating for that world, radical change tends to do more harm than good. But there is nothing wrong with holding a clear view of why people find it an enticing proposition. It's a little intellectually dismissive to just call it some base fetishization or fantasy. Or at least that's how I interpreted your comment, perhaps my interpretation was uncharitable.

stuntkite 158 days ago [-]
Spent 2 years in South Lake Union and just moved to Texas about six months ago. Bezos does own a large part of Seattle, he has evicted low wage undesirables, junkies, and for the most part cars. It's a cultureless void of amazon dormitories packed with 20 something white, indian, and chinese dudes. It's expensive as fuck and has a great business propoganda museum on the waterfront.

They have a stand that gives away blemishless perfectly ripe bananas daily but good luck finding a half decent place to eat open past 7 on a weeknight let alone a dive bar that hosts interesting bands on a small stage.

Clean and perfect! Ready to work! Thank you master for selling me the future I always dreamed of! May I die happy in service of your almighty brand!

natalyarostova 158 days ago [-]
Yeah, SLU lacks culture. I couldn't stand to live there, and during the day working there it's somewhat depressing. I'm also growing tired of the rich culture in cap hill though, which comes with homelessness, addiction, and filth. I'd prefer some metaphorical place between the two.
astebbin 159 days ago [-]
I think you’ve taken more from my original comment than was given. I don’t think electing a competent President is at odds with a desire for Congress to better assert its Constitutional authority.
paulddraper 159 days ago [-]
> People need to remember that billionaires are not your friends.

O'rly. Then how much money does someone need to be my friend?

stuntkite 158 days ago [-]
I think you get to set that number on your own or let the market dictate your friend price. Cats with a billie usually have a pretty full roster though. Do you juggle or something? Just a really good listener? Have a rare blood type?
ssambros 159 days ago [-]
> The only thing that can improve society is concerted, collective action.

Can you site the source for this claim, or it's just your opinion?

bproven 159 days ago [-]
I'd prefer a non-billionaire/millionaire statesman (not a politician). Uber rich people in general have a hard time connecting or understanding regular people - and thats what we need now before the whole thing goes off the rails permanently. Although some may argue that has already happened... We need to get off this train of having famous rich people (or rich business people) running gov. Furthermore we should try to purge the career politicians (who again are usually ultra rich with corporate connections) from all of gov. In most cases, they are not representing us any longer - and haven't for years...

Sort of a dream, but seems like a nice goal :)

littlepinkpill 158 days ago [-]
Yes--I've been thinking about "no more career politicians" for years. And yeah, it's idealism at its finest--a really good progressive idea that will either never break ground or will be radically transformed into something else terrible that still protects vested interests. Sigh. I hate being both an idealist and a cynic. Wait! Maybe we could get Bezos to back it :p
singhrac 159 days ago [-]
His suitability nonwithstanding, I doubt Bezos can afford to take time off from Amazon to run in the next few years. And I'd like to see how he's going to extricate himself from his business interests as most presidents are supposed to do... cough
fatbird 159 days ago [-]
Bezos is an accomplished entrepreneur, but from everything I've heard about how Amazon works, I can't imagine being an effective politician. He's a corporate dictator, not a coalition-builder: the exact quality that built Amazon would seem to be his greatest weakness in the White House.
astebbin 159 days ago [-]
I don’t think you’re entirely wrong, but you could have said all that about Donald Trump in 2016. We live in strange times.
aaron-lebo 159 days ago [-]
Trump isn't an effective politician, so whatever people were saying in 2016 was exactly right.
refurb 159 days ago [-]
Really? He helped get the first comprehensive tax reform in almost 40 years. That's the exact definition of effective.
xxpor 159 days ago [-]
The "tax reform" was in no way a tax reform in the way it is usually touted. Complexity went up.
refurb 158 days ago [-]
Reform just means change. It doesn't require simplification.
xxpor 156 days ago [-]
By that definition, Bush passed one also.
akhilcacharya 159 days ago [-]
The comprehensive tax reform voted on in the dead of night with changes written in the margins? That one?
astebbin 159 days ago [-]
From your strong reaction, Trump’s political career to date has been effective indeed!

Ebola (for example) is extremely effective. That doesn’t mean you have to like it, or want it anywhere near the White House.

refurb 158 days ago [-]
Or maybe like the ACA? Come on, that's how bills get passed.
akhilcacharya 157 days ago [-]
It's not. None of this is normal.

The ACA went through public debate for a year. This didn't.

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astebbin 159 days ago [-]
Not be too pedantic, but if you can’t get elected, you can’t be effective. By that measure, Trump was more effective than every other Presidential candidate, Hillary in particular. He is now President, and she is an unemployed politician.

I think whichever party puts forth the most electable candidate will, by definition, win the next election. Of what I perceive as that pool of individuals, I see Jeff Bezos as one of the better options.

aaron-lebo 159 days ago [-]
So what you are doing is looking for someone who can win, not necessarily be an effective leader.

It's the kind of thinking that's got people seriously jabbing about Oprah as a Democratic candidate. We really want to put someone who was a talk show host and has evangelized quack science for the past 30 years in charge of the country, because she's all of a sudden brave enough to speak out against Harvey Weinstein (nevermind that she was his friend)?

The scary thing is, she'd probably beat Trump, that doesn't mean it would be good for this country. It really can't be that difficult to pick someone who is both more electable than Trump and also capable. If we can't do that, then let's fold up as a country and go home.

We don't have to default to someone like Oprah or Bezos. We can do better.

mercer 157 days ago [-]
As maddening as it is, it does make sense when the priority becomes for one 'side' to win. I find it difficult to imagine how this could change without significant reform.

(For comparison, while plenty of people here have strong party affiliations over here in Holland, it's not a big deal and quite common even to be a 'floating' voter without too much allegiance to one party.)

Nomentatus 159 days ago [-]
Incitatus for consul of the Romans! He's healthy as a horse! ('cause he was a horse.)
astebbin 159 days ago [-]
Maybe the Romans were on to something ;)

Check out this BBC article about countries without an elected government (the functional ones rely on the civil service):

make3 159 days ago [-]
plus he has about zero charisma
Nomentatus 159 days ago [-]
Up to at least ten percent now that he's working out, I'd say.
enraged_camel 159 days ago [-]
Frankly I don’t want any inexperienced people running for President anymore.

Would you hire someone who knows nothing about technology (aside from being a consumer of it) to be your CTO? Probably not... similarly, we should expect people to gain experience in government before they are considered suitable.

scrollaway 159 days ago [-]
> similarly, we should expect people to gain experience in government before they are considered suitable.

I agree with the principle (and I despise the whole "tv stars as president" trend), but Bezos' experience isn't completely irrelevant.

There was a similar argument to be made (and that has been made) about Trump and business experience. Now, Trump's failures as president are correlated with his failures as a businessman and in life in general, but it doesn't undermine the logic.

CEO of Amazon is a massive amount of experience that no former president can claim they have. And although Bezos wouldn't have experience working in government, I highly doubt he's unfamiliar with it; he, just like any CEO of companies like amazon, would have worked with governments (especially US government) a ton.

(Now let's not say that too loudly in case Larry Ellison reads HN and is getting new ideas)

SamReidHughes 159 days ago [-]
Bloomberg did pretty well for himself.
maxxxxx 159 days ago [-]
Mayor is probably easier to learn than President. If Bezos ran for mayor of Seattle and governor of Washington I would have more faith in himbeing President. Right now he leads an authoritarian organization (as most corporations are). the qualities to lead that may not translate into leading a democracy.
crazygringo 159 days ago [-]
+1. As mayor, you're still fundamentally an executive, making practical decisions about city services, police, etc. It feels quite analagous to CEO.

Whereas as US president, you're effectively leader of your political party, and your greatest achievements are essentially legislative even though you have no legislative power. It's a position of leadership through coalition-building, not execution through delegation and accountability.

There's certainly overlap, but overall they feel like night and day.

ojbyrne 159 days ago [-]
I agree with you, but Amazon is definitely more of a substantive organization than whatever it is Trump ran.
klodolph 159 days ago [-]
This was why I was so unhappy with Stein.
alphaalpha101 159 days ago [-]
Amazon is a company that has spent years acting incredibly immorally: many many clearly anticompetitive practices, censoring 1984 from peoples' Kindles, avoiding and evading taxes, etc.

People don't 'trust' the Amazon brand. People just know that Amazon is cheap because they're built a huge economy of scale by acting anti-competitively. How, you ask? By lowering their prices to the point they were losing money or making very little money.

Amazon is no better than Walmart or Microsoft or any big American company that has acted monopolistically, IMO.

mythrwy 159 days ago [-]
Maybe he could run for President of China where most of his stuff comes from.

Mark Z. can be his vice and they can think up kid names together.

aaron-lebo 159 days ago [-]
Unsure if this is satire or not. Bezos's businesses don't give a damn about their customers. I don't trust Amazon at all, even if I use their products, that's because I like many others have been screwed over by them on occasion.

Trump criticizes everything, Jeff is not singled out. He's the equivalent of a Gilded Age robber baron. You want to put him in charge?

astebbin 159 days ago [-]
EDIT: misread “customers” as “employees.” As a satisfied longtime Amazon customer, I really couldn’t disagree with you more.

In contrast to the current President, Jeff is a stable and effective leader with broad popular appeal, a good head on his shoulders, and respect for the institutions of American democracy. In 2020, I think that’s the best we can hope for.

aaron-lebo 159 days ago [-]
I've seen little league board members with a better ability to lead than Trump. Just because he's better than bad, does not make him good. Why can't we have higher standards for the person running this country?

Why can't a nation of 300 million people choose someone who hasn't spent their whole life making money or being a pop star? I'd like to see someone with a broader outlook than that.

Your satisfaction as a customer comes at the expense of their employees (as you pointed out) and their sellers. It's something you have to experience and then you get how they work.

As a once (and still) happy customer they lost all my trust.

fjsolwmv 159 days ago [-]
If President Bezos could get the government to work as well for it's customers as Amazon does, it's a good deal.
sofal 159 days ago [-]
Do you really want the POTUS to have the same powers over the national government that a CEO has over their company? Because that would require a substantially different type of government than we have. I suppose the trains will be on time at least.
QAPereo 159 days ago [-]
In contrast to our current leader, a kumquat is a stable and effective leader with broad popular appeal.